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jenn-x

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War in Iraq???
« on: August 23, 2005, 11:26:33 am »
Do you support the US war in Iraq?  Why do we even have to go to war?

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Re: War in Iraq???
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2005, 11:59:30 am »
There are different opinions about why we went to war.  The story about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction seems to hold less and less water every day, and that there was a conspiracy to create a reason to go to war for some reason, to hide some other big story, to benefit Halibuton, etc.  Personally, though, I believe that conspiracies make for great movies, but they rarely work out in real life, and the bigger they are they more likely they are to be blown.  You can't get much bigger than going to war.

As far as benefitting Haliburton, the US didn't need to go to war to make that company lots of money.  All they needed to do was create some lame energy bill that would pump money to them, and it would almost certainly not have garnered as much attention to the relationship between the Whitehouse and HAL as the war has. 

As far as covering something else up, coverups are done to preserve the reputation of the leader.  A war like this is CERTAIN to cause so much scrutiny that both the thing you were trying to cover up AND any shenanigans that were used to instigate the war would be uncovered.

Put yourself in GW's position.  You continually tell the American people and the world that Iraq has WMDs for months, and months and months, you go toe to toe with the UN for what appears to be a shoddy inspection job, and ultimately kick them out so you can go in and do the job yourself.  So you DO kick them out, overthrow the government and undertake a massive campaign to look for the WMDs.  And you find none.  Do you think it's going to be acceptable to say "oops, sorry" while knowing all along that there were not any to be found?  I'd say GW was guilty of getting some bad intelligence but should be commended for putting his reputation, presidency and the lives of American soldiers in jeopardy for doing what he thought was right to defend the nation that he is responsible for.  That is not an easy task.

So, there were no WMDs and that does mean that we went in and took over, killed people and broken things for the wrong reason.  If we had done nothing and been right about the WMDs, we would likely have experienced a terrible attack.  If we did nothing and were wrong WMDs, nothing may have happened.  Or Saddam may have utlimately started production again, who knows?

We did what we did because we thought we were doing the right thing at the time.  It's terrible that so many people have died on both sides.  But, we are where we are.  We broke it, so we bought it.  We are stuck, obligated to see this operation through to the end.  Leaving now would thrust Iraq into a much darker situation than they have now.  That is how governments like the Taliban get started.

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Re: War in Iraq???
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2005, 03:58:42 am »
that is far too many lines for me to read~  ???

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Re: War in Iraq???
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2005, 06:58:16 am »
I'm like that :)

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Re: War in Iraq???
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2005, 03:06:55 pm »
Had there been WMD's is purely speculative - hardly an excuse to go to war with a country that has never attacked you. That's not taking precautions - that's being paranoid! By that same reasoning, the US might as well invade every country in the world!

I find it rather lame though, that after having supported Iraq for so many years in a war against Iran, that the US should turn on them.

And considering the way New Orleans was handled with Katrina, when I put the two together, I'm sorry, but I just smell racism! (having grown up in an ex-racist country, I can detect the smell!)

imo, GW had even less justification for his actions than The Crusades!!!

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Re: War in Iraq???
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2005, 10:14:46 pm »
Keep in mind that the enemy of your enemy is your friend.  We side with a country for as long as it's convenient and turn on them when we're through.

We've done it time and time again.  Most of them were the result of the US' hatred for the USSR.

My guess is that all of the cards aren't on the table w/r/t Iraq and WMD.  I voted both times for GWB, but I've come to think of him as a bad leader as of late, but even so, I don't believe that even a dumb president has the ability to do what was done without something behind it.  Who's ultimately at fault?  probably the US in some way.

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Re: War in Iraq???
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2005, 08:05:57 am »
I doubt GWB makes all the decisions really. I mean, he can't really veer far from his party's politics, can he?

Well, you at least get to vote for the facade you want to see in the whitehouse, but unfortunately you don't really get to vote for what you want the government to do, do you?

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Re: War in Iraq???
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2005, 08:16:49 am »
Pretty much.  I consider myself a civil liberitarian, so I pretty much have to pick the party the represents most of my beliefs.  I'm most concerned about smaller government, lower taxes, more states rights, defending my rights, and fiscal responsibility.

Well, under the republican party, who allegedly has all of those things as their platform, we have increased the size of the government considerably (homeland security, etc), we've seen the erosion of a lot of state and personal freedoms in the form of the patriot act, etc, and we've been horribly irresponsible with the federal budget.  But, we did cut taxes.  I'm pretty disappointed overall.

And what do I have to look forward to?  Republicans are going to get kicked to the curb over the next few elections, so I can look forward to the government continuing to grow, state and personal rights continue to wane (unless you call marijauna use a core freedom) and above all, they'll raise my taxes!  Can't wait for that.

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Re: War in Iraq???
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2005, 12:51:13 pm »
I don't think the dems are going to win much back.  They have not been able to present a winnable candidate in a long time.  Look at the 2004 election.  By all accounts, the dems had a lock on the race, but they put up ole horse face who could campaign out of a paper bag.

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Re: War in Iraq???
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2005, 12:59:18 pm »
It'll be interesting to see who are the candidates on both sides in 2008.  I can see a possible Clinton - Giuliani faceoff, though.

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Re: War in Iraq???
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2005, 04:24:49 pm »
The insanity of politics! I can't believe how it seems to come down to what's the best face that can be presented to the public!

It's a joke, if you ask me!  ::)