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Scolls
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« on: August 13, 2005, 12:18:58 pm »

Do you think the Eugenics Society is still around and still active? Do you think they are still a threat to our diversity with their narrow-minded views?
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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2005, 09:25:16 pm »

People ask me over and over and over about Eugenics.  Unfortunately, they're always meaning to say Eurythmics, which as it turns out, is about as bad as for socienty as eugenics, just in a different way. 

To understand whether or not eugenics is still active today, it helps to understand where it came from.  125 years ago, a man named Francis Galton started writing about eugenics and the fear that the mentally, physcially and morally handicapped were going to become an exponential burden on society.  Ironically, this was during the time that people were drinking radium, petroleum, and a host of other nasties, thinking that they fought disease and made them smarter.  I believe it was after a particularly long night of drinking his choice concoction that the idea for eugenics took hold.
Sadly for the untold numbers of "defective" people throughout the early part of the 1900's, the mystery potions of radium, et al, were all the rage throughout the States, and most every place had a law supporting the sterilization of said "defectives", which was upheld by a then crazy Supreme Court.
So what happened?  Two things - some really popular guy had his jaw fall off from drinking too much radium which got people to thinking "hmm, maybe we should take a closer look at what we allow to be sold as medicine"
And, WWII.  After WWII, we realized that the Nazi's had taken eugenics much farther than we had, and there was a collective "that's fucked up" coming from the halls of government.

So, back to the question...  Is the Eugenics Society active today?  I have to answer it like this, "What the hell do you think?!?!"  We have people that kill themselves because their ride has come next to a comet, we have LOTS of people that think morally right to counter the sins of abortion by planting shrapnel bombs outside women's health clinics, hell, there are even people who like the Eurythmics.  My point is that there is always some sorry ass group of lead paint eating loonies that want society to be very homogeneous.  Often, we call groups of those people churches, but I digress. 

Clearly in this day and age when everyone is taught to "feel bad" for the handicapped, and with the money of medical lobbies lining their grubby pockets, there isn't a hope in hell of an overt Eugenics Society being more than the retarded neighbor of the Ku Klux Klan.  But, they do have a chance if they are able to get the oil companies behind them. 
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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2005, 10:48:50 pm »

This is for real?
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« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2005, 02:19:00 pm »

It's for real, yeah... extremosm is always in the shadows, if not in th kimelight.

So, back to the story... while they may never overtly gain public support, but they do nevertheless have a presence.

How about voluntary euthenasia? Doesn't really sound so bad does it? After all, people should have the right to choose, shouldn't they?

But what happens when people get used to voluntary euthenasia? Perhaps then the idea of involuntary euthenasia in extreme circumstances, for the right reasons, wouldn't sound too bad to people then, would it?

Humans get used to ideas - if they're introduced to them slowly enough... not so?

So what's REALLY then wrong with voluntary euthenasia? It would invariably grow steadily toward involuntary state-induced euthenasia - genocide!

...and this is the plan to ensure the survival of the Ayrians!!!  Tongue
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« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2005, 07:33:06 pm »

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions" or something like that.  I'd say probably about 60% of the population is familiar with the concept of incrementalism, but of those, only about 20% realize how it affects their lives.  You can tell who they are, because they're paranoid government-haters and are often heavily medicated, or should be.  But I digress.

Euthanasia of the elderly has really become the new battleground of the religious right vs. the secular left now that abortion seems to be a dead issue, no pun intended.

Euthanasia of the increibly stupid is a whole other issue.... 
I once had a dog who got quite sick as she got older.  Eventually, she went blind and lost a lot of her ability to function.  She would walk head-first into walls, puke all over the place and whatnot.  I had to take her to get her euthanized.  It was sad.  Later, I had a cat who pretty much had the same situation.  He was probably the coolest cat that ever lived, but his time came and I had to put him down.  While it's incredibly sad, we don't think twice about euthanizing animals who are clearly suffering and completely incapable of helping themselves.
I travel all over the world, and maybe I'm just getting too old to suffer utter incompetence and voluntary ignorance, but I have met many people who are so monumentally and catastrophically dense that I feel they really need to be euthanized for their own sake.  It's sad, but at the end of the day, it's really for the best.



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« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2005, 08:07:44 pm »

Look at the Wikipedia article on it. And it has a list of pro-eugenics sites:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics#Pro-eugenics_websites
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« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2005, 08:11:10 pm »

It's unpopular, but there is some twisted logic there...
"Those handicapped in body, mind or criminal inclination, those who are not able to care for themselves within normal society and require public assistance, must be taken care of in the most humane and economical way possible - through institutions. To allow these groups to have more children is stupid, not from a genetics standpoint, but from the standpoint of the welfare of the child and its burden on the producing portion of the society."

This is off-topic from voluntary or forced euthanasia though.
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« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2005, 08:15:07 pm »

I find it disturbing that there are so many pro eugenics sites out there.  It's a nice story but it's a slippery slope to hell.
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